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Re: Writhing Wall Event Update
I think that the disappointment with this event and the fact that people paid for content they got in a shambling state is going to be felt with next year's announcement. I really want this game to succeed, but my god. This last year combined with high crown store costs, cobbled together content that barely worked, and most recently this animation change that broke SO many existing animations has shaken my faith so much.
I can already tell you I won't be buying next year's content unless I'm utterly blown away by what is released, but I DO want it to succeed. The fans of this game and this franchise DO want it to succeed. But to do this, ZOS has to actually listen to feedback (about events as seen here, PTS feedback, etc) and act on it. This includes doing some new things that aren't as painfully formulaic as the game has become over the last few years.
Please do something that enables the game to actually grow and not be forced to cannibalize itself to placate outdated technology or a player base that refuses to (or can't, and I'm sorry if that's the case, but....come on) upgrade their platform.
Anything to limit the bleed here.
I can already tell you I won't be buying next year's content unless I'm utterly blown away by what is released, but I DO want it to succeed. The fans of this game and this franchise DO want it to succeed. But to do this, ZOS has to actually listen to feedback (about events as seen here, PTS feedback, etc) and act on it. This includes doing some new things that aren't as painfully formulaic as the game has become over the last few years.
Please do something that enables the game to actually grow and not be forced to cannibalize itself to placate outdated technology or a player base that refuses to (or can't, and I'm sorry if that's the case, but....come on) upgrade their platform.
Anything to limit the bleed here.
Re: Appearance of Zerit-var
I wish we could make Zerith look "normal" again. I really hate those glowing eyes, even if they make sense lore-wise...
Lugaldu
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Re: Community Update – Vengeance Testing & Cyrodiil
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_Kevin
Does 'keeping' current PvP in scenario 1 include a commitment to make efforts to maintain/improve PvP balance? Or would PvE become the main focus of balancing efforts for the shared combat model going forward, in the knowledge that there is an alternative mode for PvP?
Does 'keeping' current PvP in scenario 1 include a commitment to make efforts to maintain/improve PvP balance? Or would PvE become the main focus of balancing efforts for the shared combat model going forward, in the knowledge that there is an alternative mode for PvP?
Muizer
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Re: Bugged undaunted box invisible in inventory taking space
@Grega I'm curious if this will fix the problem./script for i in ZO_IterateBagSlots(BAG_BACKPACK) do if GetItemId(BAG_BACKPACK, i) == 190167 then DestroyItem(BAG_BACKPACK, i); d(i) end end
This will go through your inventory, find an inventory slot containing item ID 190167 (which is the glorious non-vet FG box), and if it finds it, tries to destroy it and display the slot index at which the phantom item was located.
Using this resulted in this:
However, this looks like it solved it, because it now says 0/215
Thank you for this, I appreciate it!
Grega
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Infinite Archive & Imperial City: Weekly Vendors between November 25 and December 2, 2025
This week, Filer Ool will offer the following at the Infinite Archive:
Cycle reward chests will have Armor Sets from the following zones:
The Tel Var Merchants will be offering the following at the Alliance Bases in the Imperial City Sewers:
- Archival Essay: Western Skyrim Treasure Map (2000 Fortunes)
- Notable loot includes Leads for the Ancestral Reach Motif Pages.
- Bound Style Page: Iceheart Mask (15000 Fortunes)
- Bound Affix Script: Savagery and Prophecy (10000 or 2000 Fortunes)
- You must complete The Wing of the Netch in the Scribing questline to purchase.
- Affix Scripts can alternatively drop from the following:
- DLC World Event Daily Quest coffers
- Imperial City Daily Quest coffers
- Undaunted Delve Daily Quest coffers
- Bound Focus Script: Flame Damage (15000 or 3000 Fortunes)
- You must complete The Wing of the Gryphon in the Scribing questline to purchase.
- Focus Scripts can alternatively drop from the following:
- DLC Delve Daily Quest coffers
- Rewards for the Worthy coffers
- Mages Guild Daily Quest coffers
- Bound Signature Script: Thief's Swiftness (20000 or 4000 Fortunes)
- You must complete The Wing of the Dragon in the Scribing questline to purchase.
- Signature Scripts can alternatively drop from the following:
- DLC World Boss Daily Quest coffers
- Cyrodiil Town Daily Quest coffers
- Fighters Guild Daily Quest coffers
- Companion Equipment: Weapons (5000 Fortunes)
- Public Dungeon Collectible Fragment: Dwarven Theodolite Torso (3000 Fortunes)
- One of 7 fragments for the Dwarven Theodolite Pet. Can be consumed and tracked with the Dwarven Theodolite Achievement.
- It can alternatively drop from random enemies in Nchuleftingth (Vvardenfell Public Dungeon).
- Infinite Archive Collectible Fragment: Unreliable Archive Map(3000 Fortunes)
- Skill Style Fragment: Fragment of Balamath (3000 Fortunes)
- One of 5 fragments for the Annulment, Vibrant Yellow Skill Style. Can be consumed and tracked with the Skill Stylist: Annulment Achievement.
- It can alternatively drop from the Corrupted Scion of Balamath in Balamath (Craglorn Delve Boss).
- Lead: Gold Shalk Clasp (5000 Fortunes)
- One of the leads for the Velothi Ur-Mage's Amulet Mythic.
- It can alternatively drop from the trophy room chests in the Scrivener's Hall (Scribes of Fate DLC Dungeon). Its digsite is located in the Telvanni Peninsula.
- Lead: Larimar Gems (5000 Fortunes)
- One of the leads for the Oakensoul Ring Mythic.
- It can alternatively drop from Titanclaw at the Mudcrab Beach (Stormhaven World Boss). Its digsite is located in High Isle and Amenos.
- Furnishing Blueprint: Leyawiin Trunk, Ornate (2000 Fortunes)
- Furnishing Blueprint: Vampiric Desk, Polished (2000 Fortunes)
- Furnishing Design: Argonian Post, Frilled (2000 Fortunes)
- Book Furnishing: Materials for the Novice Necromancers (1000 Fortunes)
- Book Furnishing: Planar Exploration Vol. 14: Darkreeve Curators (1000 Fortunes)
Cycle reward chests will have Armor Sets from the following zones:
- Deshaan
- Mother's Sorrow
- Night Mother's Embrace
- Plague Doctor
- Southern Elsweyr
- Dragonguard Elite
- Marauder's Haste
- Senchal Defender
The Tel Var Merchants will be offering the following at the Alliance Bases in the Imperial City Sewers:
- Archival Essay: Northern Elsweyr Treasure Map (6000 Tel Var)
- Bound Affix Script: Magickasteal (10000 Tel Var)
- You must complete The Wing of the Netch in the Scribing questline to purchase.
- Affix Scripts can alternatively drop from the following:
- DLC World Event Daily Quest coffers
- Imperial City Daily Quest coffers
- Undaunted Delve Daily Quest coffers
- Bound Focus Script: Shock Damage (15000 Tel Var)
- You must complete The Wing of the Gryphon in the Scribing questline to purchase.
- Focus Scripts can alternatively drop from the following:
- DLC Delve Daily Quest coffers
- Rewards for the Worthy coffers
- Mages Guild Daily Quest coffers
- Bound Signature Script: Wayfarer's Mastery (20000 Tel Var)
- You must complete The Wing of the Dragon in the Scribing questline to purchase.
- Signature Scripts can alternatively drop from the following:
- DLC World Boss Daily Quest coffers
- Cyrodiil Town Daily Quest coffers
- Fighters Guild Daily Quest coffers
- Skill Style Fragment: Fragment of the Black Maw (5000 Tel Var)
- One of 5 fragments for the Silver Bolts, Vibrant Yellow Skill Style. Can be consumed and tracked with the Skill Stylist: Silver Bolts Achievement.
- It can alternatively drop from Peers-Through-Glass in the Shrine of the Black Maw (Shadowfen Delve Boss).
- Lead: Charm of the Shapeless (25000 Tel Var)
- One of the leads for the Ring of the Wild Hunt Mythic.
- It can alternatively drop from the Delve and World Bosses in Murkmire. Its digsite is located in Murkmire.
- Lead: Penumbral Oil (25000 Tel Var)
- One of the leads for The Shadow Queen's Cowl Mythic.
- It can alternatively drop from the Bosses in Moongrave Fane (Scalebreaker DLC Dungeon). Its digsite is located in West Weald.
- Necklace of Ancient Grace (100 000 Tel Var)
- Ring of Ancient Grace (100 000 Tel Var)
- Necklace of Endurance, Arcane (100 000 Tel Var)
- Necklace of Endurance, Healthy (100 000 Tel Var)
- Necklace of Endurance, Robust (100 000 Tel Var)
- Ring of Endurance, Arcane (100 000 Tel Var)
- Ring of Endurance, Healthy (100 000 Tel Var)
- Ring of Endurance, Robust (100 000 Tel Var)
Maitsukas
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Re: Vengeance ruleset for Dungeons/Etc.
edward_frigidhands wrote: »Vengeance is designed to test the performance of removing a host of HoTs, DoTs and procs from 900 players all fighting each other.
4 or 12 people in a dungeon or trial do not face the same issues. Are there lag spikes? Yes, on occassion, but that is a server issue, not a game code issue.
What about the siege camps? Or riding your mount from the shrine to the enclave grahtwood primetime?
In part, that is a your hardware issue (I get the same problems); and in part, too high a player cap in instances. While I agree annoying, it's still not the same issue that vengeance seeks to address.
How so? Performance tanks in PvE because of XYZ abilities overloading the server, but vengeance was only created to solve this issue for skills ABC?
My “hardware” is fine.
Vengeance is looking to increase the player cap while also improving performance, by removing a lot of additional skill complexities.
If this can benefit PvP then why can't it benefit PvE? It honestly seems like a better fit in PvE because of all the complex PvE mechanics we already have to contend with. It would make PvE more performant, approachable and amazing.
Because PvE doesn't have performance issues, with the sole exceptions of 100 players attacking a world boss or milling around a wayshrine.
Dungeons, Trials, Delves, Outlaw refuges, Public Dungeons, Quest zones, anything indoors are instance capped. It's only outdoors in overland that has problems, and that can be solved by simply lowering the instance cap.
Cyro has already had it's cap lowered and it still suffers, and feels empty.
Edit: Individual players suffering poor performance in PvE is either a momentary issue with the servers, their ISP, or their hardware. It isn't due to skills causing excessive server calcs like it is in PvP - with the exceptions outlined above. Vengeance is specifically about reducing the number of server calcs to improve performance.
You keep saying this, no, performance tanks in every aspect of the game and specifically in PvE instances more than PvP instances, for me. Again, I’m on new gen Xbox, I don’t see performance issues in Cyrodiil like I do in PvE, it’s far worse in PvE. Every example I give you say is an exception.. okay. At what point can we have a real discussion about the game running better and players options?
Cause IMO, ZOS has a fix for a real problem that would enhance our game, Vengeance ruleset in PvE. Why not? Cause you’ve determined that players who suffer lag outside of PvP don’t deserve the latest and greatest fix for a problem that clearly exists and has for a decade? That’s not your call.
Vengeance ruleset in PvE is the answer.
It doesnt feel like you are trying to have a real discussion though. It feels like you are trying to come off as a victim by saying "im just trying to have a conversation about performance in both game modes" but we all know its a farce bc youre mad about pvp.
SilverIce58
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Re: Dont deactivate normal Cyrodiil or respectfully i will not play any title with a zenimax brand anymo
Many of the people complaining bitterly about Vengeance run in ball or small man groups, and they found out that in Vengeance they died just like pugs. Without Crutch of Agony and Vapid death, plus 10 ultis etc etc in subclassed builds, they couldn't instantly round up a bunch of people and kill them, then do it again 8 seconds later for hours on end.
Without 25,000 hp heals per second, 12,000 shield per second, they found out they had no advantage as a group and any 12 pugs could kill them.
The fact is that Cyrodil has died a slow death largely due to the enormously over powered groups. ZOS has lost sight of game balance.
The math is something like this: a pug group generally has only a small bonus as a group, so 12 people = approximately a strength of n=12.This is an additive increase per player.
However, with the above changes to the game, ball groups power goes at least multiplicative and, arguably, exponentially.
So now 2 players in a group can have a strength of 2(2) = 4. A six man can have 6(2) = a power of 36, This is why you see well structured 6 man groups running around with dozens of players seemingly helpless. Of course with a 12 man 12(2) = 144, they are virtually immortal. With heals of shields they have something like 37,000 hp heals per second for the whole group.
Now an exponential claim may be overstating the group advantage as you scale up. It may only be multiplicative, eg (players) (x) where X is probably 4-5. So in the scenario some 12 man groups are as strong as 50-60 pugs.
I am all for build variety and subclassing. But group strength should not be multiplicative or exponential. It should be additive, ie a group, due to coordinated movement and strategy, as an advantage over a similar number of pugs. So a well run ball group should have 12+n, eg advantage,
This is actually the case in Vengeance and some of the old school groups with skill had a noticeable , but not hugely overpowered advantage.
Also skilled players like @React ran up 110 kills and zero deaths based on skill. They didnt like it because the skill cap was low, and a competent player could defend against them, but skill actually did play some role. If you add back subclassing and sets that boost the individual (not group in pvp) the skill cap could rise.
I am so sick , especially in lower pop later at night, of ball groups running around using Proc of agony every 8 seconds for hours at time. Every single group does this, (now even worse with broken Warden charm-- which they all use, of course). This is dead, broken, stale, boring game play that has now been the meta for at least 2 years, an eternity. Something needs to change.
Without 25,000 hp heals per second, 12,000 shield per second, they found out they had no advantage as a group and any 12 pugs could kill them.
The fact is that Cyrodil has died a slow death largely due to the enormously over powered groups. ZOS has lost sight of game balance.
The math is something like this: a pug group generally has only a small bonus as a group, so 12 people = approximately a strength of n=12.This is an additive increase per player.
However, with the above changes to the game, ball groups power goes at least multiplicative and, arguably, exponentially.
So now 2 players in a group can have a strength of 2(2) = 4. A six man can have 6(2) = a power of 36, This is why you see well structured 6 man groups running around with dozens of players seemingly helpless. Of course with a 12 man 12(2) = 144, they are virtually immortal. With heals of shields they have something like 37,000 hp heals per second for the whole group.
Now an exponential claim may be overstating the group advantage as you scale up. It may only be multiplicative, eg (players) (x) where X is probably 4-5. So in the scenario some 12 man groups are as strong as 50-60 pugs.
I am all for build variety and subclassing. But group strength should not be multiplicative or exponential. It should be additive, ie a group, due to coordinated movement and strategy, as an advantage over a similar number of pugs. So a well run ball group should have 12+n, eg advantage,
This is actually the case in Vengeance and some of the old school groups with skill had a noticeable , but not hugely overpowered advantage.
Also skilled players like @React ran up 110 kills and zero deaths based on skill. They didnt like it because the skill cap was low, and a competent player could defend against them, but skill actually did play some role. If you add back subclassing and sets that boost the individual (not group in pvp) the skill cap could rise.
I am so sick , especially in lower pop later at night, of ball groups running around using Proc of agony every 8 seconds for hours at time. Every single group does this, (now even worse with broken Warden charm-- which they all use, of course). This is dead, broken, stale, boring game play that has now been the meta for at least 2 years, an eternity. Something needs to change.
Theignson
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Re: Dont deactivate normal Cyrodiil or respectfully i will not play any title with a zenimax brand anymo
Re: Vengeance ruleset for Dungeons/Etc.
I needed a good laugh this morning with this dreary cold weather we are having.
Melivar
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Re: Vengeance ruleset for Dungeons/Etc.
MasterSpatula wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »The levels of bad faith here are off the charts.
Can you blame them though?
Yes. The petulance is embarrassing.tomofhyrule wrote: »Bad faith argument is made in bad faith.
That said, I absolutely see why. PvP has been gaslit for so long about so many things, and despite the PvP pretty unanimously coming to the same conclusions (heal stacking is a huge issue, ball groups should be strong but not that strong and beed a counter other than expecting a faction stack to zerg them down, balance is in the toilet and hybridization/Subclassing just made it so much worse), the team is addressing none of those things. Instead, the idea is to remake PvP for the only-here-for-MYM-tickets crowd.
PvP does need an on ramp. The U50 campaign (and Ravenwatch, and Blackreach) was supposed to be that, allowing people to go into Grey Host later. I can understand the desire to replace the non-GH campaigns with a Vengeance ruleset to try to bring new people into PvP to be that on ramp.
But it’s too late for that now.
If the team spreads out the minimal PvP base further, then nothing will be populated. The first thing they need to do is get people back in, and that requires them to address the issues the PvP community has, not ignore them and wait for casuals to beg for more uniformity to take the RPG out of their MMORPG.
ESO is known for having a large base of “never PvPers,” along with a lot of “ew, get these other people out of my MMO” players. You won’t convert them into PvPers by giving them Vengeance. You may be able to bring back lapsed players by addressing balance though. But if the idea is that you’re going to try to make the casuals into PvPers by adding Vengeance? Well, the fact that Vengeance 3 wasn’t able to get many people because of the lack of a Golden Pursuit and a competing event should show how effective that is at getting people into the mode…
The problem with your argument, something we should all already know but many of us overlook, is that the loudest voices in the pro-Vengeance crowd aren't PVE casuals (unworthy of having a PVP opinion, apparently) but former PVPers who walked away due to the issues you listed. "This is like the old days when PVP was good" was the constant refrain. ZOS wants them back in PVP. The "PVP community"'s utter dismissal of them is very telling.
The topic is Vengeance in PvE and lag, you guys are talking about Vengeance balancing in PvP. I don’t know what your conversation has to do with the topic here. Vengeance is obviously to make performance better, which is needed in PvE.
Let's stop the charade. Everyone knows that "I have performance issues in PvE so give us Vengeance in PvE" is not your point.
Your point is that you are opposed to Vengeance being mandated in PvP. That is a valid point by itself.
Trying to smokescreen it by pretending you really care about PvE (despite your sig showing off your PvP stats and that you only play one alliance and not mentioning anything else) is not going to convince anyone with a functioning brain, particularly since we can see that this grand idea of yours just came up right after the big "Future of Vengeance" post from the devs (and again, we can read that thread and see your comments throughout as well).
ZOS sold Vengeance as "just a test," and at some point it turned into "new Cyrodiil mode." We can all see that Vengeance did not do as well without a Golden Pursuit and an AP bonus bribing people in there, and the excuse reason of "oh, there was a conflicting event" doesn't fly since a permanent Vengeance will compete with all events, and it will lose to them. I expect that having Grey Host and Vengeance run concurrently (with no other conflicting events) will probably have both campaigns about equal in population since casuals will not feel like they need to go in after the first day and PvPers will just wait for Grey Host to open back up. The fear that their entire goal is to remove Cyrodiil entirely is valid, and - for all the talk that they don't want to, and all of the talk they did at the beginning about how that wasn't the goal at all - they did admit it isn't completely off the table.
Whatever this "new mode" entails is going to be the judgement though: if it's good, it'll start to depopulate Grey Host and then they'll have a good claim to eventually close it if it continues in that direction. If it goes as well as the new BGs, then people will favor Grey Host and the new mode will suffer.
I fear the team is looking for an easy answer, and there isn't one. The Combat Team has made some decisions that were... questionable at best, and they're not going to be able to magically put in a new mode and get it to stick.
tomofhyrule
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